i mean, where are you on this, rick -- or, i'm sorry, steve? >> interesting. >> i'm just -- no, that i called you rick? no, because of rick perry. but i think that's what you're alluding to. >> yeah. >> was it that one that you wanted to get rid of the department of education? >> the role -- >> i like the idea of giving it down to the states. >> the idea that a department of education in washington, d.c., should be making decisions for each of the states is just ludicrous, you know, from a constitutional standpoint, it just is not functional. >> when was it is, 1980? i mean, it's a relatively recent addition that has swallowed up democracy. >> the money that comes and creates more bureaucracy and then they try to dictate to the states, here, race to the top's a good example of it. we tell them, you know, with all due respect, we don't want to participate in race to the top. because we asked them, well, can we take a look at the national standards that you want to put in place and can we see the tests? well, those aren't done yet. not unlike the